# The Rise & Fall of Black Cat Cafe w/ Nacho
**URL:** https://forum.workers.coop/t/the-rise-fall-of-black-cat-cafe-w-nacho/873
**Category:** Punchcard | Podcast
**Tags:** awareness, education
**Created:** [29 July 2024 09:50 UTC](https://forum.workers.coop/t/the-rise-fall-of-black-cat-cafe-w-nacho/873 "2024-07-29T09:50:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 3
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### Author:  [@Caleb](https://forum.workers.coop/u/Caleb)
#### Post date: [29 July 2024 09:50 UTC](https://forum.workers.coop/t/the-rise-fall-of-black-cat-cafe-w-nacho/873/1 "2024-07-29T09:50:37Z")
In this episode Nacho speaks candidly about the highs and the lows of his and Carla’s 10 year journey with [Black Cat Cafe](https://www.instagram.com/blackcathackney/?hl=en). Even though from the outside Black Cat Cafe seems to be extremely successful Nacho shares about the constant challenges they faced – the difficulties paying members & staff fairly, and the set backs when trying to attract and retain worker members.
Nacho and Caleb also reflect on the lessons learnt and we celebrate what Black Cat Cafe has achieved – having become a landmark in the vegan, activist & cooperative scenes for its pioneering vegan cuisine and dedication to supporting its community and activists.
Black Cat Cafe may stop being a workers cooperative, but as [Sam Nordland said in Episode 1](https://www.workers.coop/podcast/starting-a-worker-coop-cafe-working-for-workers-coop-w-sam-nordland/) painting co-op business closures as failures isn’t always useful, because “we provided jobs for ourselves for a number of years & we introduced a lot of young people to working in a cooperative setting”.
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### Author:  [@gloria\_d](https://forum.workers.coop/u/gloria_d)
#### Post date: [29 August 2024 12:21 UTC](https://forum.workers.coop/t/the-rise-fall-of-black-cat-cafe-w-nacho/873/2 "2024-08-29T12:21:04Z")
Subscribed and sharing !
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### Author:  [@Caleb](https://forum.workers.coop/u/Caleb)
#### Post date: [30 August 2024 09:51 UTC](https://forum.workers.coop/t/the-rise-fall-of-black-cat-cafe-w-nacho/873/3 "2024-08-30T09:51:14Z")
Thanks! Appreciate it
Episode 3 is taking a little while longer to edit, but hopefully be done in a week or so